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« on: May 12, 2006, 03:38:52 PM »

It seems the dear lady shan, aka Joyce has been the victim of a 'self styled olde China hand'.

From his position as a businessman in Calgary, Canada, he has seen fit over the last couple of years to begin to write articles for publication on ESL sites warning of Scam Schools in China.

It seems he took exception to the wording in one of shan's ads and immediately condemned her as a scam artist:

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#2- This is a nice one.  The only required qualification is your being foolish enough to accept this position.  Beware of ‘ilovebluefish’.

little star English training school <ilovebluefish@yahoo.com.cn>

Requirements for the teacher: Native English speaker, female, who is willing to take the position.

more ...

Teachers who had been placed by her began to write in to support her and he then began to say that they were all, in reality, Chinese employees of a scam artist.

The debate has been going for a couple of days now right here:
http://www.eslteachersboard.com/cgi-bin/review/index.pl

This is her liveliehood folks!!!

She has been doing this for 6 or 7 years without a complaint and this guy takes exception to her wording on a single ad and basically cruicifies her by putting it into a document that will probably end up sent around the internet to everyone who is searching for a job.

You'll also have seen shan's work right here on this site.

Right here:

http://www.chinathetimes.com/xudashan/

If you want to see this Larry Romanoff's site, have a look at this:

http://www.bearcanada.com/

Yes, that's right ... He's a fucking recruiter now and moving to Shanghai where shan is his competition!!!

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« Reply #1 on: May 12, 2006, 05:33:30 PM »

So is there anything we can do to help her?
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« Reply #2 on: May 12, 2006, 05:45:47 PM »

So is there anything we can do to help her?
Only a couple of people can help ... the ones that have dealt with her in the past.

Other than that, it's here as a warning about this guy.

If he did this in the USA, he'd be liable for a libel suit.

Since we're in China, and he's curently in Canada, there's not much we can do.
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« Reply #3 on: May 12, 2006, 06:19:58 PM »

After I took a closer look I realized that there probably wasn't much I could do aside from look like an ass since I don't even have any qualifications to be posting on there.  I was thinking that maybe he had a guest book on his site that we could bomb. Angel

What a lucky bastard you are.  She sounds like a wonderful woman.
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« Reply #4 on: May 12, 2006, 06:31:03 PM »

 Grin Yeah lucky bastard! (emphasis on "bastard"  Angel)  Anyone she can fix me up with?  I am willing to travel  Flower Child

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« Reply #5 on: May 12, 2006, 07:47:03 PM »

Looks like it's backfiring on him.

Shan received this thanks to the support she got ...

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Dear Joyce:
 
Hi, our names are XXXX and XXXXX XXXXX.  We are currently teaching in Monterrey,Mexico.  The previous two years we taught in China.  We have taught in Changhouz, Jiangsu and Chaozhou, Guangdong.  We have taught at both private schools (language centre) and government schools.  We would like to teach at a government school.
 
I got you email address from the website eslteachersboard, there was quite the discussion about you.  You have some great friends from Canada and the United States that support you.  That is why I am emailing you.
 
We are a married couple.  We are from Ontario, Canada.  We live two hours from Toronto, Ontario.
 
I have enclosed our resumes, introduction letter and a photo.  I trust this is satisfactory and we look forward to hearing from you.
 
Yours truly,
 
XXXXX & XXXXX XXXXX

It's true what Oscar Wilde wrote ... The only thing worse than being talked about is NOT being talked about!!!

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« Reply #6 on: May 12, 2006, 08:25:53 PM »

Not sure why you attacked Mikey, TSM. He was supporting you!! His comments were directed at Larry.
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« Reply #7 on: May 12, 2006, 08:31:32 PM »

 Angry  Hey! does anyone even read my post?  I demand to be noticed!!!!! Angry

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« Reply #8 on: May 12, 2006, 08:51:18 PM »

It was the implication that the people defending her ... me ... were somehow in error for making too strong an argument.

Actually, he and I wrote a few emails back and forth and tried to get me to admit I wanted to punch Larry's lights out.

I figure Larry will get his just desserts when he gets here and has to 'adjust'.
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« Reply #9 on: May 12, 2006, 09:05:54 PM »

Looks like it's backfiring on him.

Shan received this thanks to the support she got ...

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Dear Joyce:
 
Hi, our names are XXXX and XXXXX XXXXX.  We are currently teaching in Monterrey,Mexico.  The previous two years we taught in China.  We have taught in Changhouz, Jiangsu and Chaozhou, Guangdong.  We have taught at both private schools (language centre) and government schools.  We would like to teach at a government school.
 
I got you email address from the website eslteachersboard, there was quite the discussion about you.  You have some great friends from Canada and the United States that support you.  That is why I am emailing you.
 
We are a married couple.  We are from Ontario, Canada.  We live two hours from Toronto, Ontario.
 
I have enclosed our resumes, introduction letter and a photo.  I trust this is satisfactory and we look forward to hearing from you.
 
Yours truly,
 
XXXXX & XXXXX XXXXX

It's true what Oscar Wilde wrote ... The only thing worse than being talked about is NOT being talked about!!!

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Or it's Larry checking her out.  Grin
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« Reply #10 on: May 12, 2006, 09:09:39 PM »

It was the implication that the people defending her ... me ... were somehow in error for making too strong an argument.

Actually, he and I wrote a few emails back and forth and tried to get me to admit I wanted to punch Larry's lights out.

I figure Larry will get his just desserts when he gets here and has to 'adjust'.
If that's how you treat your supporters let's just say the world is grateful that you do not have your finger on the nuclear button. lol  Grin
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« Reply #11 on: May 13, 2006, 01:08:09 AM »

Also, he did edit the post after the fact ... Guess I should have mentioned that, eh?
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« Reply #12 on: May 14, 2006, 10:50:18 PM »

As an addendum ... a teacher just flew in last night to take the post at the school from the ad that this Larry Romanoff Asshole condemned.

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« Reply #13 on: May 15, 2006, 08:42:45 AM »

larry isnt a bad bloke he was a silent parnter in my 'gooder english schools' franchise before we went bankrupt.he spoke excellent english for a canadian but always insisted on wearing a jacket with a maple leaf no the back of it in class. i ahd to have a serious man to man chat with him then take hinm out the back of the school and give him a flogging before he stopped wearing it. he is now considering financially backing me in my new venture of training chinese how to speak Australian.
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« Reply #14 on: May 15, 2006, 09:05:26 AM »

"Everybody. Ni Hao ... G'day, Mate"
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