the future

[Drive By]

wow this site has really kicked on. china has leaped forward since copenhagen. us white dogs now bow to it after the really cool and exotic negotiation skills it showed us when it came to the table  (yes HU you really are a pussy). cant believe those xinjiang people dont beleive they are chiense so best to shut down facebook and other forms of meida that arent worth having. baaa baaa

[Polly]

  Well every dog will have its day.

[Drive By]

yep just spoke to chinese friends now and they told me that they cant get youtube either. they must have done something really bad to be denied freedon that everyone else on earth gets.

[Polly]

First things first.

When you have been weak and downtrodden, raped and plundered for 300 years, the first things you do when you have the first chance to change the course of your country is not to allow your citizens, who are devoided of immunity anyway, access to the heady punch of freedom and liberty.

The first thing you do is to maintain social cohesion and gether strength and fortify yourself as fast as you can.  Only then can you bounce off further humiliation and violation and and take the path of your own choosing. 

As everyone can see over the years as China gethers strength, the general trend is towards less control and more freedom in public administration, so much as that the internet forums have become a tool for the government to gether views and seek out grevience.

I am confident that when China becomes inviolable in all fronts, when the US finally topple under its own aggression and folly, the Chinese people will have access to all the trappings of western societies.  Because by then not only can the government afford to let the citizens have freedom and the citizens will have immunity and wisdom to choose and pick these trappings.

The US has never ceased its attempt at colour revolution, the only reason China has not caught on is not because she has been mercifully spared, it is because she has been able to neutralize, abort and terminate it in the bud.

[Drive By]

weak and downtrodden, raped and plundered freedom and liberty, strength. fuck off hong kong pretender. who arent invited. back to the shares.

[Polly]

  For those who bash China for disallowing access to youtube, the Chinese can actually, albeit like everything else in China, it's a "mountain village" version.

www.youtubecn.com

[shan]

yes at least we needn't worry abt being shot by guns and have the freedom of walking on the street alone .

[Drive By]

shan that is the funniest thing i have ever heard. regardless what i think of my govt, my cops etc transparency means we know how many people get robbed , hurt etc.

i know u seriously dont think australia is more dangerous than china. i know u are seriously joking. violent crime in my state has been on decline for 20 years. how do i know . we publish crime statistics.

http://www.police.vic.gov.au/content.asp?Document_ID=782

finding it difficult oto find any on chinese web sites so off u go. find them and publish.

or in thye meantime read this story of 190 children being stolen every day in china.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/theobserver/2007/sep/23/features.magazine77

or this one.


http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2010/02/04/child-care-china-style-dad-chains-two-year-old-son-to-pole-while-at-work-115875-22017223/

[shan]

maybe Australia is a bit safer than USA in regard to the crime rate , but who mentioned of Australia in any negotiation table ?

Who has the least thought that Australia will be the next leading power in the world as China will be  .hahaha

[shan]

and please go back to your classroom and re-study your language and improve it to avoid more mistypos. You Australian .

[Polly]

 

Considering this is a forum with 3 (2?1?0?) active members, the last thing we need is quarrel amongst ourselves.

*group hug, group hug, group hug"

I think in relation to Drive By's questions, which are valid, the lack of statistics should not automatically be translated into thou-have-something-nasty-to-hide, often it's a case of lack of resources to collect and publish data, or simply it being a low priority issue.

To me another way to analysis the true colour of a people (e.g. the violent streak in us) is to see how the people will react when they are helpless and desperate, for instance when hit by a natural diaster.  Now the western world has been shocked to see the PLA going unarmed to the earthquake area in Sichuan, and we have also seen how the Americans in New Orleans reacted during Katrina and the Haitian during the earthquake lately.  The question is how the Australian will react if similar fate befell them.  The answer could be anyone's guess but Drive By should have a fairly accurate answer.

PS  I kind of like Drive By's Freudian slips , and I am guessing he had meat/stew for dinner last night, possibly mutton .

[Drive By]

is there really no irony in chinese people out of the front of the white house PROTESTING against the dali lama

[Polly]

For white immigrants I guess, no matter where they migrate to, be it Canada, the US or Australia, they will find the host country very similar to their mother country in terms of culture, language and political system.  So there is no sense of loss or even transportation to begin with.  

For non-white, non-Chinese immigrants, the Anglo-Saxon countries are often perceived to be the high water mark of human culture and material comfort.  So there is no sense of loss either because they simply don't know any better.

For Chinese immigrants however, against the backdrop of a West on the decline and China getting stronger and stronger, they are likely to be able to afford to be more objective and dissecting in assessing the host country.  

And given that general backdrop, they are bound not to like everything they see and are likely to yearn for the mother country which is culturally "superior" and on the rise.  The improvement in material well being is also unlikely to make up for the sense of loss or motivate them to identify with the host country, except for the very vegetating few.

Remember also, the Westerners are the ones who are ignorant about how far the Communist Party has hauled Tibet from the Dark Ages.  Most Mainlanders are in the know, and again given the general backdrop, they are not going to sit idlely around watching their mother country being viciously vilified.

In Canada, it is commonly said that only the smartest Chinese immigrants will go back to China/HK, and those who stay only stay because they have to.

Modify to add:  I think it is safe to say that Chinese nationalism is on the rise, with Chinese both in and out of the mainland aligning themselves to the policy and direction of the PRC government.  You can see this in the popular opinion and the political shift in HK in the past 5 years and subtlely in Taiwan as well.

[Drive By]

lol. what a job. never facing election.blaming it on others. i want that one so bad. in the evil west he would be crucified.what a silly system electing people into power and then kicking them out if they fail. better to be a sheep. baaaaaaa  baaaa

CHINA'S Premier, Wen Jiabao, has warned that the world risks sliding back into recession and says his country faces a difficult year trying to maintain economic growth and spur development.

Mr Wen said yesterday China would not give in to foreign pressure to raise the value of its currency or withdraw stimulus measures put in place in late 2008 to pull the country out of the crisis.

In a rare two-hour news conference at the end of China's annual session of parliament, Mr Wen called for more reforms to the world's financial system as China ponders policy choices aimed at fighting rising inflation while increasing domestic demand.

The Prime Minister pointedly highlighted - as he wrapped up the country's once-a-year, 10-day parliamentary session, the National People's Congress - how surging commodity prices had been at the centre of disputes with Australia.


"The unemployment rate of the world's main economy is still high, some countries' debt crises are still deepening, and the world's commodity prices and exchange rates are not stable, which are most likely to become the cause of any setback in the economic recovery,'' Mr Wen said yesterday in Beijing's Great Hall of the People.

"The shock of the global economic crisis on the Chinese economy in some degree imposed on our development model, which cannot be changed in a short time and needs our constant efforts."

Mr Wen is now attempting the delicate balancing act of withdrawing the massive stimulus of government funding and state-sponsored bank lending which totalled 12 trillion yuan ($1.92 trillion) last year while trying to fend off inflation and proceed with structural economic reform.

As part of its efforts, China is also trying to marshall the forces of its steel sector to fend off a massive hike in iron ore prices that could now be as much as 90 per cent.

China's and Australia's economies have become more intertwined in recent years: the country is now our largest trading partner with two-way trade surging to $83 billion in the year ending last June 30, and in December it passed Japan as our largest export market.

Any trouble in China's economy would quickly resonate in Australia.

 Chinese industry: Steel mills ask Beijing to fix prices

 Diplomacy: Washington blamed for Sino-US tensions

 Expatriates: British expats await UK pension decision

Mr Wen yesterday blamed the US for deteriorating relations between the two countries.

China has been under increasing pressure to allow its currency, the renminbi, to appreciate, removing the effective peg to the US dollar that has been in place for more than a year since the financial crisis gripped the world.

Two days ago, US President Barack Obama ratcheted up his rhetoric, urging China to appreciate its currency, saying a "market-oriented'' exchange rate was "an essential contribution to that global rebalancing effort''.

Mr Wen fired back yesterday, saying the renminbi was not undervalued and a country's exchange rate policy "should depend on its national economy and economic situation".

"We are opposed to the practice of engaging in mutual finger-pointing among countries or taking strong measures to force other countries to appreciate their currencies," Mr Wen said.

By keeping its currency at a level many economists believe is at least 20 per cent below what it would be if the market dictated its rate, most analysts and Western nations believe that the world's largest trading nation is gaining an unfair advantage.

Pressure over China's currency, along with a $6.4bn arms sale to Taiwan and a meeting between Mr Obama and the Dalai Lama, have heightened tensions between Washington and Beijing. ``The responsibility does not lie with the Chinese side but with the US,'' Mr Wen said.

Despite China's leaders explaining that they understood the country needed to restructure its export and heavy-manufacturing-dependent economy, they have given scant details about how they will step up reforms, particularly for the country's 800 million rural citizens who are becoming more restive as the income gap between them and the urban middle classes widens.

Wang Jianxun, from the China University of Political Science & Law, told The Australian: ``Many problems were talked about at the NPC, such as housing, the monopoly of state-owned enterprises and income disparity but no major and meaningful measures were presented.''

There is rising concern among many economists about inflation after the country's consumer price index hit 2.7 per cent in February, as well as the level of local government debt.

[Polly]

  When even a strong government like that of Rudd can manage to attract idle leadership speculation that runs counter to every last grain of good sense and logic, it is little wonder that voters in a democratic government, such as your kind self , drool at the prospect of full-time dedication to governance by the government, consistency in policy, and absense of wasteful bipartisen squabble and sabotage, mind numbing election campaigns and ugly pork-barreling etc. 

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/opinion/kevin-rudd-still-has-a-commanding-poll-lead-for-a-first-term-government-but-cracks-are-appearing/story-e6frerff-1225842993285