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« on: January 31, 2009, 02:47:48 PM »

Steep Slide in U.S. Economy as Unsold Goods Pile Up
By LOUIS UCHITELLE

The economy shrank at an accelerating pace late last year, the government reported on Friday, adding to the urgency of a stimulus package capable of bringing the country back from a recession that appears to be deepening.

The actual decline in the gross domestic product — at a 3.8 percent annual rate — fell short of the 5 to 6 percent that most economists had expected for the fourth quarter. But that was because consumption collapsed so quickly that goods piled up in inventory, unsold but counted as part of the nation’s output.

“The drop in spending was so fast, so rapid, that production could not be cut fast enough,” said Nigel Gault, chief domestic economist at IHS Global Insight. “That is happening now, and the contraction in the current quarter, as a result, will probably exceed 5 percent.”

The dismal fourth quarter, and the likelihood of more of the same through the spring, are fueling discussion among policy makers and politicians over the best way to spend the soon-to-be-authorized federal money.

Some caution that President Obama’s proposals try to achieve too many objectives — for example, broader health care coverage and energy efficiency — at the expense of focusing tax dollars on the core issue of job creation. By this argument, more should be spent on things like infrastructure repair, either directly or by channeling money to the states for projects now delayed for lack of adequate tax revenue.

Others argue that the best bang for the buck would come from a stimulus package devoted mainly to tax cuts rather than public investment. The breakdown in the $819 billion bill that the House approved on Wednesday and the Senate will take up next week is two-thirds spending, one-third tax cuts.

The president took a different approach in a press conference on Friday. Seizing on the damaging fourth-quarter figures and the prospect of an even weaker first quarter, he called the contraction “a continuing disaster” for working families and pushed Congress to act quickly to provide relief.

Even with the help of swelling inventories, the 3.8 percent contraction, adjusted for inflation and representing all of the nation’s economic activity, was the largest quarterly drop in the nation’s output since the 1982 recession.

Business investment, commercial construction, home building and exports all fell steeply, most of them doing so for the first time since the recession began 13 months ago. Data released this week suggested that the decline had continued. As for consumer spending, in only one other quarter since records were first kept in 1947 have final sales of goods and services produced in America fallen so much.

“Consumer spending is often held up as the engine of growth, and we are now experiencing the second-largest contraction on record,” said Ben Herzon, an economist at Macroeconomic Advisers in St. Louis, referring to the 7.6 percent drop in spending in the midst of the 1974-75 recession, and 5.1 percent now.

Christina D. Romer, chairwoman of the president’s Council of Economic Advisers, said in a statement that “aggressive, well-designed fiscal stimulus is critical to reversing this severe decline.” She did not describe the elements of a well-designed fiscal stimulus, but the vast majority of the nation’s economists agree that one is necessary, and soon.

Virtually none dispute that the usual route to recovery, cheap credit, has failed to work this time — not when lenders are pulling back, despite prodding from the Federal Reserve, and borrowers are focused more on paying down debt and building up savings.

“I’m hoping the fiscal stimulus will be a catalyst to reignite the private sector,” said Stuart Hoffman, chief economist at the PNC Bank Corporation in Pittsburgh. “My hope is that as the fiscal stimulus kicks in, people will begin to spend and invest more, modestly anyway, in the second half of the year.”

Absent a large stimulus package, most economists expect the nation’s output to shrink not only in the first half of the year, but in the second half as well. In April, the recession would become the longest since the 1930s. Until now, the record, 16 months, was shared by the severe recessions of 1974-75 and 1981-82. This one began in December 2007 as employment peaked and began to fall.

“We are in the thick of it now,” said Robert Barbera, chief economist for ITG Investment Technology Group.

The Federal Reserve ended the mid-’70s and early ’80s recessions by cutting interest rates sharply to encourage borrowing and spending in the private sector. This time, the credit crisis, rising unemployment, plunging home prices and bank failures have disrupted that mechanism, particularly since late summer.

Indeed, until the fourth quarter, the nation’s output had declined only in the third quarter, falling by half a percent at an annual rate. The Fed, in response to the accelerating decline, cut rates to nearly zero — a tactic that in the past would have raised cries of loose money and rising inflation.

The concern now, however, is deflation, or falling prices, and Friday’s report from the Bureau of Economic Analysis suggested that the fear had some justification. Personal consumption expenditures, not counting food and energy, rose at an annual rate of only 1.6 percent, the smallest quarterly increase in years. If prices were to actually fall, consumers might respond by putting off purchases until prices were even lower.

“My sense is that business is slashing hugely and across the board,” said Allen Sinai, president and chief global economist of Decision Economics. “Everyone is cutting prices, people, capital spending and all kinds of expenses. It is almost a herd instinct.”
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« Reply #1 on: January 31, 2009, 08:53:35 PM »

That is nothing surprising about it.  Americans have stopped saving for a long while.  They have not savings to cushion themselves once they are unemployed and they have no savings to lend to their friends and relatives when they are unemployed.  .

Because the population have no savings, the banks have little disposits to tie them through any tough circumstances and the government becomes the immediate and the only recourse.

Every landing has to be a hard landing for everyone concerned.
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« Reply #2 on: January 31, 2009, 09:18:37 PM »

That is nothing surprising about it.  Americans have stopped saving for a long while.  They have not savings to cushion themselves once they are unemployed and they have no savings to lend to their friends and relatives when they are unemployed.  .

Because the population have no savings, the banks have little disposits to tie them through any tough circumstances and the government becomes the immediate and the only recourse.

Every landing has to be a hard landing for everyone concerned.
You forget one thing Polly.

Every American, Canadian, Brit and Aussie DOES save for the potential of being unemployed.

It's called by various things in each country but inevitably it is a part of our taxation system.

Our government benefits when we are unemployed take care of the basics.

The problem therefore is not with the people ... It is with the governments who tap these savings to make themselves look good and fail to allow the interest to accrue so they can do their jobs.

It's the same as the pension plans we all contribute to that get used as collateral or principle in a loan for company expansion because they are not protected by the law.

Don't blame the people for the financial mismanagement of the funds that they have no choice in setting aside.

You will find that these programs were set up by the 'liberal' governments and then depleted by successive 'Conservative' governments the world over.
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« Reply #3 on: January 31, 2009, 09:49:18 PM »

The other thing you may note is that a lot of these goods that are 'piling up' are not necessities.

Like every unemployed Chinese, unemployed westerners buy what is necessary and not what is desired.

Besides, if it wasn't for what the westerners were buying supposedly without saving, the Chinese would never have been employed to manufacture it in the first place.

Factories in China are just as guilty as the businesses in the west since they are working on the same MBA educated people to advise them of running procedures ... and they are going tits up for all the exact same reasons as they do in the USA ... because THEY have no reserves either.

Look at the USA in other ways too. The PRIZE industries after WWII were defined as being the Auto industry in Detroit because they could be converted to manufacture arms very easily. This industry was protected and allowed to mismanage themselves to death.

Even though the PEOPLE wanted to buy Hondas and Mitsubushis etc. The government failed to allow the markets to force them to manufacture competitive goods. They instead put tariffs and other protectionist measures in place and relied on the people to 'buy American' by appealing to national pride.

And so it is that the bailout in the USA is aimed primarily at two things and not one ... Banks AND the Auto Industry ... but with provisos ... The auto industry must now strive to be more competitive.

A surprising thing was said here on a comedy show the other day that provoked a surprisingly positive response from the audience.

"Why don't they try giving the bailout money to the people and let THEM decide to put it in the products they want to save or put it into the banks. Let's try some trickle UP economics for a change."

As was pointed out by Obama in the last few days, the same industries the government is bailing out also managed to pay bonus' of $18.4 billion to their senior people.

That is nothing to do with the people's savings.

That is everything to do with corporate abuse.
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« Reply #4 on: February 01, 2009, 04:06:43 PM »

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The problem therefore is not with the people ... It is with the governments who tap these savings to make themselves look good and fail to allow the interest to accrue so they can do their jobs.

Why do they live with a socialist system and claim it to be a capalist system instead?

Why do they claim to be  the champion of liberty, freedom and democracy when their very own purse string is not under their own control?

Why do they live with a sytem that encourages the rat-like politicans to pander to them with barrels of pork that is effective the wealth of theirs and others?

In the end of the day, the people are part of the system. When the system is not working , that must  be the responsibility of the people too.
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« Reply #5 on: February 01, 2009, 05:14:42 PM »

       
Please take the population into account , please take the national infrastructure foundation into account
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« Reply #6 on: February 02, 2009, 10:03:39 PM »

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The problem therefore is not with the people ... It is with the governments who tap these savings to make themselves look good and fail to allow the interest to accrue so they can do their jobs.

Why do they live with a socialist system and claim it to be a capalist system instead?

Why do they claim to be  the champion of liberty, freedom and democracy when their very own purse string is not under their own control?

Why do they live with a sytem that encourages the rat-like politicans to pander to them with barrels of pork that is effective the wealth of theirs and others?

In the end of the day, the people are part of the system. When the system is not working , that must  be the responsibility of the people too.
ER? ... For the same reason China claims to be communist!?

Things change.

And why don't the Chinese people change their system?

Because they'd get fucking shot to put it bluntly.

Ask the people of Taiwan, the Tibetans and the Uighurs.
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« Reply #7 on: February 03, 2009, 12:07:31 AM »

Lots of colour revolution took place even in E Europe just by gethering together to show force.  Chilsysco (?) was overthrown just by people gathering around not-afraid.  Poland, East Germany, the USSR fell apart without spilling any blood.
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