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« on: October 11, 2008, 04:27:20 PM »



Some time earlier this year the A$ was as strong as almost A$1:UA$1 (I remember Drive By sounding quite pleased about it :>)

Since the beginning of the financial tsunami, the A$ has dropped more than 33% as capital continues to flee the country for the USA (that's why US$ has been so strong these days).  The government with a meagre A$30 billion reserve was unable to break the fall of its currency and a financial disaster looked imminent.

So about a week ago Rudd called Wang up to discuss the matter.  According to the informed (an Chinese investment banker in Australia) all the evidence points to a strong likelihood that the Rudd government has reached an understanding with the Chinese government to the effect that they will not ban Chinese investment in the mining and other companies, in exchange for the China's support for the A$.

It is believed that China started scoping up the A$ at the trough at A$0.6622 on the night of 9th Oct and has therefore effectively become the banker of the Australian Dollar with the capacity to sway it either up and down.

It is lucky for Australia to have elected Rudd who has the flexibility to call on China and avoided bankruptcy of the country, and it is lucky for China that she can divest some of the US$ holding into materials useful to her.  But like it or not, the new banker is here.



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« Reply #1 on: October 11, 2008, 05:10:02 PM »

When you think about it, Australia and China are two very complementary countries. China has lots of people and relatively little land and resource, Australia has lots of land and resources and few people.  Together they can be great.  And aligning with the polite and hard-working China is way better than aligning with the macho, bellicose and broke USA.
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« Reply #2 on: October 11, 2008, 06:41:27 PM »

When you think about it, Australia and China are two very complementary countries. China has lots of people and relatively little land and resource, Australia has lots of land and resources and few people.  Together they can be great.  And aligning with the polite and hard-working China is way better than aligning with the macho, bellicose and broke USA.
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« Reply #3 on: October 12, 2008, 03:28:33 PM »

S Korea dollar to US$. Another country with an exodus of capital.

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« Reply #4 on: October 30, 2008, 01:29:35 PM »

"thick1015:解读正在发生的金融危机里的货币战争之澳洲战役(本文仅供参考讨论)
  
  
  货币战争是如何实施的
  众所周知,美元是世界货币。一个国家(包括他的国民和企业)要到另外一个国家消费或投资,要花掉自己的外汇储备。所以衡量一个国家或者地区(欧元地区)的富有程度要看他有多少美元在手里(这是现金),而其国内的所有一切不过是资产罢了。
    
  如果一个国家的经济体十分开放,对外国资本的流入不受限制,那么这个国家就有被潜在攻击的可能。外国资本以美元购买该国货币后进入该国,对该国经济大唱赞歌。进入该国股市,甚至于楼市(楼市的流动性没有保证,所以更多的是股市),该国股市节节攀升,汇率升高,一片欣欣向荣的景象。然后这些资本开始造势唱衰该国经济,或者几方配合人为制造该国经济发展的阻力,该国的股市和汇率开始下降。当该国经济被唱衰的达到一定程度的时候,时机到了,这些资本会突然撤离。于是该国股市暴跌,汇率自由落体式下降。央行手里唯一的武器就是外汇储备,可以在汇市接盘,可是此时市场中蔓延着恐慌,能否接住要看国家外储的多少。一旦走到了这一步,即使接住,也要损失大量外汇储备。由于国内投资资本一下子都到了央行手中,央行就要采取被迫降息等措施把货币重新流通到经济体中。而一些外汇期货等工具的利用会使这些强盗资本更加如虎添翼。
    
  到这里,大家都看出来了,美元是一个很危险的武器。小国在巨额美元资本面前是无力对抗的。1997年的金融危机,很好的诠释了美元的威力。也就是在那次危机中,中国意识到了美元的威力, 外汇管制和外汇储备的重要性。而接下来欧元的出现,根本原因就是为了对成员国进行保护,避免被大资本掠夺从而确保经济安全,官方的理由都是用来掩藏真实目的的。
    
    美国拥有世界上最多的美元,于是他的能量是很大的,因为他可以去别的国家搞一场货币战争来搜刮财富。资本的持有人当然不能是美国政府,那样会对美国形象大损,造成道义大失分。这些资本就是一些华尔街的大亨们,通过种种资本转移方式,暗中进行这种勾当。而亚洲地区成为最危险的货币战争场所,因为放眼世界,非洲没有东西可剪,欧洲有欧元保护,最容易被剪羊毛的就是亚洲,美洲是美国后花园,而且并不富庶,这也就是为什么亚洲外储这么多的原因。东南亚小国也在拼命增加外储,一个个提心吊胆,小心谨慎,绝大多数已经成为了美国的马前卒。(当然也有美国军事,外交上的原因)
    
  中国的外汇储备
  中国自从1997年之后,认识到了经济安全的重要性。于是巩固了外汇管制,并且尽量扩大出口来增加美元储备。直到有一天中国人发现我们的外汇储备已经大到可以用来做武器了。发现这个问题的还有美国人。于是他们拼命喊人民币升值,就是为了控制贸易顺差,控制中国外汇储备的膨胀。于是中国必须要把顺差中的很大一部分拿来购买美国国债,同样的事情发生在日本身上。
    
  即使这样,中国的外汇储备还是一再攀升,已经接近2万亿了(我认为热钱不会很多,并且已经被困住了),不算国债的部分也有1万4千亿左右。这个数字是澳大利亚去年GDP的1.8倍,按照现在的汇率看是2.2倍。如果真拿来搞货币战争,亚洲任何一个小国都无法阻挡。于是美国要求中国的外汇储备要透明,做什么了要让大家直到,这也符合其他小国的利益。
    
  暗度陈仓
  2005年7月开始,中国开始了货币一篮子计划。也就是说根据投资和贸易的权重而分散外汇储备到其他货币身上。很难知道布局是不是从当时就开始了,但是他使中国潜入其他国家货币市场成为可能,而中国外储的资产负债表成为了所有国家一定要盯住的东西。于是中投出现了,2007年9月中投正式成立2000亿美元资本,这个数字是足可以消灭任何一个小国的,所以中国需要保证中投投资的透明度,每笔投资都要说清楚,中国也一再宣称中投的投资是纯商业目的的。从去年开始,中投开始了大规模投资,大家发现中投的投资是以美国财团为主要目标的,如黑石和摩根斯坦利,而且账面上亏了很多钱,也因此为大家诟病。可是为什么中投只投资财团和金融机构呢?呵呵,下面再说。
    
  中国外管局在欧洲小规模的购买了一些公司的股票,基本少于3%,用外管局的话是财务投资。而英国却为此非常担忧,说外管局的投资不透明,原因就是怕在即将到来的金融危机中被抽底。而外管局在不久前突然入主罗斯柴尔德银行(Rothschild)和罗斯柴尔德银行入主中海基金,青岛商行的交换让人感到深思,我相信中国出去的是美元,而罗斯柴尔德进来的不过是中国一篮子货币中的某一个罢了。暗度陈仓,中国的外储成功转移,而且有该机构在中国的投资做担保,简直天衣无缝。而黑石和中国互相投资,中信和贝尔斯登没能完成的换股也是结成联盟获得互相信任的方法。现在也就不难理解之前对黑石和摩根投资的意义了。我相信,中国的"投资"不止于此,而黑石的投资是一张门票,进入世界资本大家庭的门票,而如果你成了庄家之一,那么你永远是获利的,而在金融危机中庄家获得的利益会远远超出财务收益,而这种不可告人的利益在乱世中却足以改变世界的格局。"
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"澳洲战役存在的前提
  中国参与澳洲战役甚至于坐庄最大的动机源于中澳两国之间的利益冲突。中国从去年开始超过日本成为澳洲最大的贸易伙伴,而中国主要进口澳洲的资源。商品价格最近几年扶摇直上。必和必拓和力拓更是势大欺人,力拓今年的年度议价中居然提高了铁矿石价格达到85%以上,弄得淡马锡也蠢蠢欲动,高声大喊加价。因为对资源需求旺盛,生产又很集中,中国企业完全没有议价能力。而中国未来的发展,资源成为非常大的瓶颈,澳大利亚这个合作伙伴突然摇身一变成为中国必须啃下的一块骨头。
    
  澳币在本周一当天暴跌700点,周三崩盘至0。63,RBA三天就失守了0.65。而之前0.70被认为是底线。在周三澳币晚崩盘之后神秘力量接盘,更证明了澳币的暴跌已经远远超越了其对金融危机应有的调整,几乎可以肯定有庄家在后面坐庄,而且是几个庄家联手,远远大于索罗斯对冲基金的实力。
    
  相信周一金融危机开始之前,具体的布局入场已经完成。在今年6-7月,澳币开始增长,其实聪明人早已知道达到定点的商品价格是不可持续的,而澳币这样的高位是不理智的。而这些聪明人中,中国这个在上海战役中获胜而且每三个月就要和美国经济对话一次的国家比谁都清楚世界危机重重,金融危机将至。而澳洲的情绪却十分乐观,好像商品价格可以永远持续,澳洲的电台更是大喊我们现在拥有了史无前例的财富。澳币在7月份达到顶峰,对美元0.98,几乎成了1:1,股票也是节节攀高。 而之后坏消息开始一点点的积累,商品价格也逐渐下跌。中国突然开始集体唱衰内需,对澳洲资源的进口开始减少,青岛集煤港出现了大量的堆积,这些消息迅速传到了澳洲人的耳朵里,包括所有的投资人。而澳币逐步下跌到0.80左右,而这时基本所有人都认为这是符合商品价格变化的,并没有引起恐慌,只是认为经济预期下调而已。美国的救市计划通过,所有的预期都是金融危机即将来临,各国即将买单,好似世界末日已经来临。万事俱备,只欠东风,到了离场的时候了。周一开盘,澳币从0.77**暴跌到0.7000,国民财富瞬间贬值10%,而澳洲储备银行RBA此时入场坚守0.74,很快退守0.72,周一过去。而每一个交易员应该都清楚,那几乎暴了的交易量以为着什么。澳洲交易员接受采访,认为0.70是底线,事实证明他根本不清楚这次面临的敌人有多强大,根本不能以常理而定。果然周二,澳币跌至0.68。澳洲媒体更是头版报道吉布森山铁矿被中国企业叫停交货。(吉布森山首钢下属公司有参股,今年早些时候提出增加股权,被澳洲监管部门叫停)周三跌至0.65,晚上更是崩盘至0.64直到神秘力量0.66点进入托盘,而周四澳币收于0.70左右,澳洲股票当天居然一反之前颓势,稳中见升。而陆克文也出来发表阶段性总结式讲话,聪明的评论员已经在媒体首页说出了"有现金的企业到了收获的时候了"。而我也认为,最坏的已经过去,有人接盘了并且完成了幕后交易。
    
  无奈可能是庄家胃口太大,或者可能对陆克文未能完全履行条件不满,又或是最终讨价还价的结果是更低的澳币价格。周四晚上澳币开始下跌,周末收于0.6559。
    
  到现在我们无法确定澳洲战役是否结束,庄家到底开出了什么条件让陆克文在周四发言时认为他做了非常"艰难的决定"。而他又做了什么"决定性的行动"呢?这些都会被历史淹没,永远不会有切实的证据来证明谁是这个最大的庄家。
    
  而我们确定的是,澳洲报纸开始逐渐加入了对中国的正面报道,世纪报甚至大喊救星在中国,新的中澳整合时代将不可避免的到来。中国在未来的利益获得将验证本文的猜测。
    
  令人深思的是,周五,中国宣布将批准新的QFII入场,这些QFII是不是那些货币战争中的战士和战利品呢?我只相信这个世界没有巧合,大家可以注意QFII的名字和来头是否和中国之前的"朋友"们有关。
    
  该庄家在这场较量中获得闪电战的胜利,可见实力雄厚,早有准备。而如果这个庄家是中国的话,那么以前澳洲在中国商战中所获得的所有利益将连本带利全部吐出。未来更会躲在中国这把大伞之下。"
 
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"下面分析一下澳元问题:
  1. 之所以说上周三晚有人托盘,部分原因是因为澳币当晚几乎崩盘。而且它之前就有无法坚持的迹象:大起是托盘的表现,大落是托盘人坚持不住后退守的表现。而周三在澳币突然近乎崩盘时,有人进入降澳币托到0.66,市场测试了很久,发现该托盘人实力雄厚,于是自行上升。另外一个原因是时事,陆克文早在上周一就和温家宝通话,而这一消息却被澳洲媒体选择性忽略。周四澳币被托后,陆克文突然站出来发表总结式发言,而且提到周一同温家宝通话探讨"中国内需"问题。而工党主席上周四也已经到了北京,中国居然由组织部长李源朝接待,明显不对等,怎么也应该是个常委吧,可见谁握着砝码。
  
  2. 说说澳币这两天的起伏:从上周三澳币被托之后,澳币并不稳定。但是这时候澳币的变化是和之前不同的,它没有大起大落,而是缓升缓降,曲线上并无突然失守或者升高,而每次降低到0.65左右时,就有人托盘,更验证了澳币已经有了大的托盘人,只不过该托盘人不希望澳币过高罢了。我个人认为庄家的底线是0.65,很多人问我要不要进去抄底澳币,我说不要去做庄家的炮灰。
  
  3. 最近澳大利亚媒体突然出现大量唱红中国的文章,而今天sydney morning herald居然说出中国要在2020年实现初步民主。在这个以批判中国为政治上正确和politically popular的国家是无法想象的。
  
  4. 再看资源行业.众所周知,世界三大铁矿生厂商两家在澳大利亚,分别为BHP Billiton和Rio Tinto。而由于地理位置的原因,澳大利亚铁矿的运费远远低于巴西,所以铁矿石的定价权基本由与这两家的谈判决定。而两三天前,BHP突然站出来说由于市场原因暂时降调整对Rio 的收购计划。昨天Rio自己出来唱衰自己,说中国的内需短期内会减少,明年才有可能恢复。昨天中铝突然以雷曼为由,通过小道传出消息,可能放弃Rio 12.5%的股权,而这个未经中铝证实的消息却出现在澳大利亚各大媒体的显著位置。于是今天Rio股价大跌12.5澳币,16%。所有的一切证明,中澳政治层面谈判早已开始,我认为已经结束,现在是在实施。我们不着急,最低点进入,你不让我们满意,我可以砸盘并且还赚。
  
  5. 澳洲铁矿事关重大,因为他关系中国南面的一个大国也是蠢蠢欲动的对手 - 印度。新加坡我说过了最近成了中宣部,大唱中国赞歌。李光耀内阁更是在几天前(注意时间点,在中国与澳洲开始"亲密"之后),突然到访印度,提到了两点:1,印度现在落后于中国,如果想迎头赶上,那么要城市化。2,印度现在民主虽好,但是做决定迟缓,不利于经济发展,可以象其他国家借鉴经验。
  第一点,城市化需要的是资源,尤其是铁矿石,如果中国能把握铁矿石定价权,印度就经济上被钳制。
  第二点,不多说了,仔细一听有颜色革命的味道,捅破中印意识形态的窗户纸。这个实在比较狠,从根上开始。李内阁已经几乎成了中国的说客。
  
  6 中国之前通过与法国罗斯柴尔德互换资产还有与对其他大的财团的参股,很明显背后有交易。大家都在金融危机中浑水摸鱼,(美国的2500亿美元不排除很大一部分是这么来的),中国也不例外,只是不直接动手罢了。这些钱一定会被用到某些地方做一些动作,澳洲是否为其中之一,不得而知,但是一点可以确定,他需要救援。通过救援得到铁矿石定价权,这样的"朋友"谁不想当呢?"
  

 
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« Reply #7 on: October 30, 2008, 04:14:13 PM »

http://www.chnqiang.com/article/2008/1029/article_48845.shtml


yes. i also read the news on the above link

it seems that China is very smart and gained the upper hand already  Grin Grin
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« Reply #8 on: October 31, 2008, 01:08:53 AM »

Yes everyone is speculating where has America's liquidity gone?  And it is quite unlikely that China went about it alone in the forex and oil market.  Some suggest the Jews and some suggest the oil-rich Arabs, which have been unusually quiet these days even when oil price has come down by over 50%.  All very fishy!
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« Reply #9 on: October 31, 2008, 07:21:02 AM »

been thinking lately about the growth in chinese economy.it will slow to about 8 or 9 % this year. hu hasnt signalled any assistance yet or investment to srtiimulate growth. it needs 8% to remain static in unemployment levels. this is the clear arrogance of a govt that doesnt face the polls. western govts are obessed by unemployment for very good reason and watch that indicator closer than any other. i fiind it extremely difficult to beleive that china can continue to sustain above 8% for the next decade on any reasoning and yet there is still an immense divide if it could achieve that. i smell revolt. yeeehah.
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« Reply #10 on: October 31, 2008, 08:14:37 AM »

it would also be difficult for me to believe that Australia's GDP is 3% in 2008 and would be 2.4% in 2009

Compared with other countries's  negative or zero growth , 8-9% growth is a good figure .
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« Reply #11 on: October 31, 2008, 08:28:50 AM »

Except for the fact that through false means, China is reflecting the growth of the cities and not the countryside.

Australia however is reflecting their entire economy.

Answer me this ... Are all your graduates going to get jobs this year? At 9% growth, they should be. 2 million is way less than 9% of your population.

Where are a lot of these graduates coming from? ... The COUNTRYSIDE.

They are begging borrowing and stealing their way into universities and then not getting jobs.

They do not have Guanxi.

I'm with Driveby ... revolt is coming.

Don't believe me??? Who is putting melamine in your food? Could it be Chemistry majors who didn't get a job after graducation and now work at milk collection points? WHO figured out how to beat the system??? It certainly wasn't your average nongmin.
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« Reply #12 on: October 31, 2008, 08:38:00 AM »

Australia can avoid recession, says PM
 October 31, 2008 - 9:52AM


Prime Minister Kevin Rudd says he agrees with Deputy Reserve Bank Governor Ric Battellino that Australia can avoid a recession.

Mr Battellino said in a speech that Australia is well placed to cope with the global downturn and is on track to avoid a recession, albeit growing at below average pace for the next year or two.

"I certainly agree with what the deputy governor said, because this is the core challenge of the government to do whatever is necessary to support positive economic growth," Mr Rudd told the Fairfax Radio Network.

"This will be tough, very tough because most other developing economies around the world are either in recession or heading there right now, and we are part of a global economy."

He said this is the reason why the RBA cut its key cash rate by a full percentage point early this month and why the government introduced its $10.4 billion economic stimulus package.

Mr Rudd said he is confident families, pensioners and carers will spend their one-off cash payments wisely and expects a "fair whack" to go on bills.

"Working families and pensioners and carers ... spend their money wisely," he said.

"If you are putting the equivalent of about $10 billion into people's pockets ... we're confident that a fair whack of that will be used to pay the bills."
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« Reply #13 on: October 31, 2008, 08:38:25 AM »

Oh and HU HAS signalled assistance to the economy.

He has TOLD the insurance companies that they must invest more in stocks. (Isn't THAT a brilliant fucking idea.)

He has told the insurance companies to raid the premiums and not play it safe.

Oh ... and now that China has assumed the role as 'world leader', when do they start to muscle up to the bar and devote a portion of the Chinese economy to third world relief ... something that the USA used to do even with their failing economy.

China wanted to be #1. That takes more than just being a good economy. It takes the ability to keep poorer nations from falling over the brink.

The world is now looking to the Gulf Nations and China to pick up the slack.

Or is China still going to claim 'developing nation status'. (That one's getting a little old don't you think.)
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