Polly's Parents and Leaving China

[Polly]

Edit to add:

There is no need to make me appear rediculous by taking my posts out of context.

These are the posts I was responding to:

 Reply #27 on: Today at 10:27:27 AM » Quote 

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what's human rights?

they are silly little things, like choosing your representatives in parliament, freedom of expression,

http://www.un.org/Overview/rights.html

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Reply #29 on: Today at 10:54:37 AM » Quote 

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yeah funny i was talking to my chinese friedns who were over here recently. i asked the question that what do u really do with people who dont want to be chinese or part of china as clearly many tibetans and xinjiang people dont. you cant simply bomb them into submission. colonialists have laways grappled with this problem.

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Mao set down the strategy a long time ago.  Those of us who are not happy to live in China, those who do not want to live in China, can leave.  That is why Dalai Lama was allowed to leave together with all those thousands of tribal chiefs and local rich and powerfuls.  And people are still leaving China now everyday.  Not a problem to us, there are many of us anyway.  They leave, they are happy and will not create problems for us.  And we end up with fewer traitors.

As for human right and liberty, Chinese will get to an enviable standard eventually, just very slowly, because the population has to be mature and educated enough to exercise them in the first place.

We have had more than enough cautionary tales from the endless protests and lawlessness and stale economic development in countries around us, Thailand, Taiwan, the Phillippines, India, Korea etc.  Now the nth Japanese PM is stepping down before he has warmed his seat.  We simply do not want any of these.

[The Smoking Man]

Mao set down the strategy a long time ago.  Those of us who are not happy to live in China, those who do not want to live in China, can leave.  That is why Dalai Lama was allowed to leave together with all those thousands of tribal chiefs and local rich and powerfuls.  And people are still leaving China now everyday.  Not a problem to us, there are many of us anyway.  They leave, they are happy and will not create problems for us.  And we end up with fewer traitors.

As for human right and liberty, Chinese will get to an enviable standard eventually, just very slowly, because the population has to be mature and educated enough to exercise them in the first place.

We have had more than enough cautionary tales from the endless protests and lawlessness and stale economic development in countries around us, Thailand, Taiwan, the Phillippines, India, Korea etc.  Now the nth Japanese PM is stepping down before he has warmed his seat.  We simply do not want any of these.

What a crock of shyte.

Polly, your parents ESCAPED.

The DL ESCAPED to India.

Tell me, when Mao set down this 'idea' where anyone who wanted could leave ... where was the mass exodous during the starvation periods during the late 50's and early 60's???

You're telling me that the people who stayed chose to eat their children (Read Hungry Ghosts) rather than leave China?

You're so full of shit that your eyes are brown.

[Polly]

My father applied to go to HK to unite with the family through legal procedure.  My father told me he flied to Beijing to hand over the application forms with a bunch of PLA.  Everybody was looking at him as he was the only civilian on the plane.  4 years later my mother applied to be united with him.  It may surprise you but there were legal procedures.

Escaped?  Yes tens of thousands escaped under the watchful eyes of the PLA.  By the way Falungong's Li Hongzhi also "escaped" with his gang, and what good riddance.

[The Smoking Man]

Why did we have an incident, caught on film last year of Chinese border guards opening fire on Monks leaving China?

Why do you have to go through 'exit immigration' with your own country? Why are top scientists rarely given the right to leave the country? (Sorry ... when I say 'your' country, I mean shan's country ... Hong Kong isn't China... Otherwise Chinese people could go there for longer than a week and not have to get a visa.)

[Polly]

Don't just ask.  Think.

[The Smoking Man]

Don't just ask.  Think.

No ... I am asking you to prove your statement and giving you evidence that directly contradicts that statement.

I know that what you say is false and I have given you the evidence that proves my side.

It's now up to you to prove that all Chinese may leave if they wish.

[The Smoking Man]

Oh, and the description of your parents leaving China... ??

This directly disproves your statement about Mao's policy.

If Mao made it so that anyone who didn't want to live in China could leave ... Then why is there an application process to leave?

I think it's similar to the policy of 'applying to protest' in Beijing during the Olympics.

[shan]

wow , i just went out for a lunch

Why the black sea issue is turned out to be "polly's parents" related ?

let me find out the logic behind it 

[The Smoking Man]

I'm not sure ... you have to go back to her post that seems to be unrelated to this thread completely.

[Polly]

  Smokie, there is no need to hasten the demise of the forum.  Afterall how much longer is it going to last?  Another 2 months? 

[shan]

peace-loving , peace loving !!

[Polly]

Not when it comes to Smokie

[shan]

yeah funny i was talking to my chinese friedns who were over here recently. i asked the question that what do u really do with people who dont want to be chinese or part of china as clearly many tibetans and xinjiang people dont. you cant simply bomb them into submission. colonialists have laways grappled with this problem.

you didn't ask the other question, when China does not want some citizens like those tibetans or xinjiangese , how can she do ?

you can't simply bomb them into pieces.

[shan]

haha , i have eaten flies for many time

[shan]

the world "leaving" is correct , before you know the real reason that polly's parents were leaving China , you shouldn't use the word "escape" . they have the documents to leave in a formal way ,.


–verb (used without object)
1.   to slip or get away, as from confinement or restraint; gain or regain liberty: to escape from jail.
2.   to slip away from pursuit or peril; avoid capture, punishment, or any threatened evil.
3.   to issue from a confining enclosure, as a fluid.
4.   to slip away; fade: The words escaped from memory.
5.   Botany. (of an originally cultivated plant) to grow wild.
6.   (of a rocket, molecule, etc.) to achieve escape velocity.
–verb (used with object)
7.   to slip away from or elude (pursuers, captors, etc.): He escaped the police.
8.   to succeed in avoiding (any threatened or possible danger or evil): She escaped capture.
9.   to elude (one's memory, notice, search, etc.).
10.   to fail to be noticed or recollected by (a person): Her reply escapes me.
11.   (of a sound or utterance) to slip from or be expressed by (a person, one's lips, etc.) inadvertently.