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« on: May 04, 2008, 10:55:26 AM »

Among the 14 generations of Dalai lamas,several of them died untimely ,the reasons were very simple ,  the struggles for interests and assassination of poisoning .that's why the imperial court of the Qing dynasty finally set up a "golden bottle system" as emperor Qianlong couldn't stand their strifles anymore .

Here you can see the hypocrisy of these theocratic rulers , claiming as "Living Buddha",they used the despicable means like poisoning. I have been to Tibet as a tourist and met with Lama, as well as the civilians.
if You want to know why there are collisions in Tibet ,then  I will tell you why from what I have seen

Before Chinese Communist Party entered the Tibet, 95 percent of the Tibetan population are serfs and the rest are Chieftain (their masters) and the clergy class. At that time, each of the temples had large lands, and thousands of serfs. Serfs were slaves for generations, at the ritual time ,the masters cut off the arms  of the slaves and pulled out their skin to use it as a tribute. On The birthday of the Dalai Lama, he would order the monks to pull out two children's skin  as a sacrifice .if you are to the Tibet Museum, you can see the paper order written by the the 14th Dalai Lama in person before he left Tibet . 

However, Tibet's illiterate serfs were devout believers for living Buddha. They know nothing about  medicine and people were competing to collect the feces of the living Buddha  for medical treatment. When their masters were receiving guests, the courteous way was to gang-rape a female slave with the guests , it is easy to understand, they thought this was a manifestation of hospitality, because it was "sharing a woman."
 
The CPC adopted the "land reform policy"in Tibet, but the means was very tough, those masters must hand over the lands and release the slaves and  waive the debts. Land reform was started in 1957, and then the armed uprising outbroke , then was the crackdown of the CPC, followed by the Dalai Lama fled, but the Panchen Lama did not escape, he chose to stay, Because he was in favour of land reform. This is also the cause of  a special "ethnic separatism" in Tbet : the civilians and the monks of the fragmented clans.
 
those Tibetan people in the bottom of the society  , were farmers and herdsmen for generations , they put Mao Zedong's portrait in their houses and worshipped him as a Buddha, because their ancestors were serfs, but Mao gave them land and freedom.Now  the Tibetan people received the CPC government's subsidies  in housing, medical and education, this is the reason why the general civilians in Tibet are not supportive to Tibet independence . However, the monks and former Chieftains and their offspring's do not think so, in their eyes, Mao Zedong and the Chinese Communists deprived of their lands and properties, not only that, in the crackdown by CPC in the past,their ancestors and relatives were detained or executed. Their hatred is deep-rooted.
 
So if you walk on the street of Lhasa, you will find that the most active advocacy are the former aristocrats and their clans . These people are making trouble, but the Chinese Communists can not punish them, because  in Tibet, education is lagging behind and the Tibetan culture is backward, and this is why they have such a devout belief in Buddha , can you imagine a physics Master holder will koutou 100,000 times to a mud Buddha ?

The Tibetan people will send their most intelligent children to become lamas, because in their traditional social status, Lama is the most noble one , and this is divine right of the typical characteristics of the community. The CPC is a headache for the lamas. You probably do not know, each of the temples for Tibet's Living Buddha, enjoys the special subsidies from the CPC, in other words, the Chinese Communists raised Lama, you can see the temples are so splendid. But the Lamas are still making the trouble. Very simple reason, no matter how much the subsidies they received, they can't get the lands and  their high social status were deprived off.
 
 
You may want to know who is the one that wants to develop Tibetan culture most ? it Is the CPC. Because the most obedient and easily manipulated group are the the uneducated low class people. Therefore, the Chinese Communists in Tibet built up the schools. the Mainland university graduates who volunteered to teach in Tibet for several years can take  MA, Ph.D. studies for free when they came back , the Tibetan students usually can get the admission of the mainland Universities on extremely low scores

However, in an area with an elevation above sea level  5,000 meters, in particular, covered by snow six months a year , to build up schools and hospitals is not so easy. Tibet is  30 times of  Taiwan's size , but its  population is less than half of Taiwan . How to let the scattered nomadic people receive education ?  This requires high investments. The idea is to let the Tibetan people go to the hospital to get treatment when they get sick, rather than go to the temple to eat the feces of the Living Buddha, therefore the lamas are not  so easy to abet the Tibetan people and Tibet is easier to be governed . Of course, the lamas are currently facing the "crisis of survival."
 
Therefore, the schools and hospitals built by the Chinese Communists become the main targets in the turmoil in Tibet. Tibetan lamas can not tolerate a culture of education, can you imagine a biology major student will eat feces of Lama ? Lamas are not only the group on the planet that hinder the spread of science.Still remember the dark Middle Ages in Europe? Remember the  religious courts? When science and knowledge spread ,theocratic rulers got tremble, when the Tibetan people know that the earth is round, they will no longer believe the story about the 18 tiers of hell .
 
Tibet, is now in the collision of a  modern civilization spirit and an old theocratic culture .

like the religious courts were not tolerant of Copernicus and Galileo. you will see that the collisons will not come to a halt .
 
If we really want the CPC to govern the Tibet well and let the Tibetan people live a prosperous modern life, we should build more schools and prisons, schools are given to the Tibetan people, the prisons are given to the Lamas. I suggest you have a trip to Tibet, not with the tour group,not only to the temples but to the villages, to the grasslands, to see the original ecology of Tibet, to  visit those farmers and herdsmen's home to see their attitude to the CPC  and Mao Zedong, to have look at their handicapped grandfathers and grandmothers and their plain and simple characters  ,and also have a look at the lamas's leisurely and comfortable life and listen to their discontent to the Government

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« Reply #1 on: May 04, 2008, 05:49:11 PM »

look , that's the "home" for a "living buddha", comparing with the glorious palace in beautiful Tibet
no wonder he always wants to come back!
















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« Reply #2 on: May 26, 2008, 04:46:50 AM »

If Tibet were an island China might consider the same approach that America used in Puerto Rico.
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« Reply #3 on: May 26, 2008, 07:41:37 AM »

If Tibet were an island China might consider the same approach that America used in Puerto Rico.
Nonsensical ... 'If's don't work in politics.

China doesn't 'give' anything freely unless it is to their benefit.

It's all about control and they don't need to 'give' anything relative to Tibet. They own them lock, stock and two smoking barrels.
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« Reply #4 on: May 26, 2008, 03:46:52 PM »





















http://www.100gogo.com/tibet/pa1.htm
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« Reply #5 on: May 26, 2008, 08:50:09 PM »

The Dalai Lama has given a stark warning that he is losing the support of many of his followers inside Tibet because of the Chinese government's refusal to strike a deal with him over the territory's future.

As he continues a tour of European cities to rally support for Tibet's autonomy from Beijing, the 72-year-old Nobel laureate has expressed hope that China will begin serious negotiations with his representatives over greater autonomy for the region in a few weeks' time.

But in an interview in the UK with the Financial Times, he indicated that more radical Tibetans, who urge violent confrontation with China, are increasingly losing faith in his strategy of securing autonomy through peaceful dialogue.

 
Asked whether he was losing control over his followers, the Dalai Lama said: “Yes, naturally. My efforts have failed to bring concrete results, so this criticism is becoming stronger and stronger.”

He repeatedly rejected calls for the Tibetan cause to be pursued through violence. “We must carry forward that just cause through non-violent principles,” he said. “If the violence grows out of control, then my only choice is to resign.”

But he warned that in recent times, many Tibetans had been showing “clear signs of frustration” with the lack of progress he has been making in talks with the Chinese. “There are many Tibetans who have the view that our non-violent approach is not having an effect.”

Next month's meeting between the Dalai Lama's representatives and the Chinese authorities will be critical in determining whether Beijing can contain the Tibet issue ahead of the Olympics.
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« Reply #6 on: May 26, 2008, 10:56:33 PM »

That is it, isn't it???

As long as the Olympics pays for itself ... Back to business as usual the day after.

If the Tibetans get violent then, there may not be that 'delay' before they drop the 1000lb. gorilla on them.
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« Reply #7 on: May 27, 2008, 03:11:47 AM »

Now it's getting dangerous but in your minds which may affect your actions.  When two parties gather and both claim the playing fields you usually expect a battle but in this case something's going on. Don't give up on a benefical outcome for China and Tibet.
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« Reply #8 on: May 27, 2008, 06:06:03 AM »

You're assuming that the Chinese feel threatened in some way.

Far from it.

It all has to come down before the end of the olympics otherwise there is no leverage.

The Chinese will just continue to kick the shit out of them after that point.

They will be careful to include more picture of these monks getting violent.

Human rights merely mean you have the right to follow your own religion, which the Chinese have granted.

What the DL wants is something more than that. He is on a political course.

All minorities have special privileges now including the Tibetans.

Culture is a choice that is taught in a home.

It is in Quebec, Native American homes, African homes, 'Black American' homes etc. It is never at odds with the ruling power unless something is desired other than 'culture'.

In North America, the Native Americans are more interested in owning Casinos and Mineral rights.

The French want the opportunity to force their own Children to maintain their language rather than watch hollywood movies as they are prone to do.

In fact, in Canada, minorities other than the French see the treatment of the French Culture as something greater than all other cultures as being 'preferential'.

The rights of Quebec has been denounced as preferential by the UN.

So waht is the DL looking for???
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« Reply #9 on: May 27, 2008, 08:48:11 AM »

Get a life.
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« Reply #10 on: May 27, 2008, 09:07:14 AM »

Get a life.
Wow... strong argument!
Can I quote you?
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« Reply #11 on: May 27, 2008, 09:11:47 AM »

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Get a life.

Wow... strong argument!
Can I quote you?

why ? yes, DL is looking for getting a life
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« Reply #12 on: May 27, 2008, 09:40:27 AM »

i have read the interview script , but i still agree with smokie
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« Reply #13 on: May 27, 2008, 10:39:09 AM »

And if Bin Laden crawled out of the woodwork and said all he wants is peace in Afghanistan in 10 years time ... do you think he'd be taken seriously or arrested?

Remember, The DL ran a rebellion in Tibet.

He put guns in the hands of the Tibetan followers of his brand of Feudalism and told them to shoot.

Besides this not being the act of a Buddhist, to the Chinese it was the act of terrorists not unlike those killing the American troops in Afghanistan or Iraq. In fact, they did it with the complicity of the CIA.

You want them to forgive him and negotiate with him?

Would the USA?
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« Reply #14 on: May 27, 2008, 11:03:01 AM »

Quick question.

When is the USA going to negotiate with Cuba?
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