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« Reply #15 on: June 01, 2008, 04:36:13 PM »

But a society cannot afford to have a gene pool that is progressively recessive either.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inbreeding
Society will not crumble if a few people here and there are inbreed.  And the negetive effects of incest weeds these people out anyway with lowered fertility and higher infant mortality.  It's not going to spread birth defects through out the population unless a significant portion of it is practicing incest.

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Worse still, a society cannot afford to be further divided on top of political differences, religious differences, economic difference and as you said, homosexual difference.
 
So we should all get in lock step with mainstream society in order to avoid being devided?  Perhaps instead of stigmatizing one another for our differences we can except each others differences in order to stay cohesive?
 
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Assuming incestuous relationships were lawful, a portion of the population will be disgusted and take off, a portion will be indifferent and shrug their shoulders, while a portion will thrive and rejoice over their new freedom.  Over time an ever shrinking economy will have to shoulder the care of an ever increasing population with congenital defects. What will be the outcome? Is it fair to demand the whole society to shoulder the bills of indulgence of some individuals and be doomed ecnomomically?
I don't think many people are going to leave a country just because they don't criminally prosecute incestuous relationships.  And as I already pointed out the primary issues that occur due to incest will keep those few who "indulge" from creating any sort of epidemic of birth defects.

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Actually no, because sexual orientation is a matter of genes.  Homosexual parents are not likely to sway the sexual preference of their kids when they grow up.
I wasn't talking about genetics here but your complaint that the children or families will meet with derision from their peers.  The same can and does happen to children of gay couples, interracial couples, and even children whose families are just plain ugly.  So how about no ugly people bumping uglies?

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It is not frivolous at all as it shows the society as a whole has zero tolerance for incestuous relationship.  It is something that is completely off limit.  This way people will have no illusion or uncertainty of what they can and cannot do.
Certainly... and we'll have no illusion that our government wont butt their heads into our lives to the point of telling us who we can and can not have consentual sex with.
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« Reply #16 on: June 01, 2008, 04:59:45 PM »

congenital defects aren't a probability they're a certainty.
No they are not.  Unless the practice is continued in the same genetic line it merely creates a higher probability.  And there are plenty of people out there who have a high probability of passing on congenital defects whom, as far as I know, are not criminally prosecuted for having sexual relations.
 
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A total strawman but anyway  I am against it yes. Growing up is hard enough for kids without having to suffer the ridicule resulting from having two same sex parents. I think it is about time hetrosexual people stopped apologising for being normal and that gay people realised that although their condition should be tolerated it is still a perversion. Yes it is not their fault as they are born with their sexual orientation but so are paedophiles but I don't see many people arguing they should be allowed to sate their 'natural' desires.
Paedophiles hurt people.  Homosexuals do not.  Neither do two relatives consentually fucking.

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I disagree. Incest is taboo in practically every society in the world. Nature itself abhors the practice and so if some people are too stupid to understand this naturally and can only be deterred by law then so be it.
There are all sorts of taboos in various societies all over the world.  Another wide spread one is homosexuality.  Should fags be criminally prosecuted for having consentual sex with another adult simply because others think it is abnormal or wrong?
In a world where we continually attempt to thwart nature and keep her from killing people with natural diseases and defects are you really that concerned that nature doesn't seem to like the children of guys who fuck their sisters?
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« Reply #17 on: June 01, 2008, 05:58:09 PM »

Question:

In the test case here, we have a case that was clearly consensual. They barely knew each other.

What is the difference if there is coercion based on age and relationship?

If a priest does it, we call them predators and paedophiles.

At what time is it okay for them to develop a 'sexual interest'.

Remember, this is the kid you used to change their diapers.

What about the polygamous sect in the USA where kids as young as 16 were given over to closely related elder males?

When does it go from parents iving permission to an an act of obedience to a faith or a parental figure?

Do you also believe in arranged marriage?
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« Reply #18 on: June 01, 2008, 08:04:20 PM »

Question:

In the test case here, we have a case that was clearly consensual. They barely knew each other.

What is the difference if there is coercion based on age and relationship?

If a priest does it, we call them predators and paedophiles.

At what time is it okay for them to develop a 'sexual interest'.

Remember, this is the kid you used to change their diapers.

What about the polygamous sect in the USA where kids as young as 16 were given over to closely related elder males?

When does it go from parents iving permission to an an act of obedience to a faith or a parental figure?

Do you also believe in arranged marriage?
This situation is obviously unusual in circumstance as far as incestuous relationships go.  It's the very reason why I don't think they ought to be prosecuted.  Certainly a father having sexual relations with his daughter can easily have come about due to abuse of his authority figure status.  In such a case I would see reason to prosecute the father.  To base the prosecution on incest though and not abuse of being an authority figure does not make for a strong ethical arguement.
But I suppose just accusing "Ye done did yer daughter and that's wrong" is alot more clear cut and easier to enforce.
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