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« on: April 10, 2008, 02:06:33 PM » |
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 A father and daughter in Australia shook the nation Sunday by revealing their sexual relationship. The daughter has a child too by her father. Jennifer Deaves said she was reunited with her long-lost father, John, 30 years after he left her mother. She was 31 when they met again seven years ago, but instead of a normal father-daughter relationship, they fell in love. As their own marriages failed, they became intimate. Jennifer gave birth to their first child seven years ago in Rockhampton, in northern Queensland, according to court documents. “The first child was born in 2001 but died a few days after birth due to a congenital heart disease,” South Australia district court judge Steven Millsteed said when sentencing the pair for incest last month. On March 20, the couple were sentenced to a three-year good behaviour bond after pleading guilty to two counts of performing an act of incest. Millsteed said at the time he took concerns about the health of children born from incestuous relationships into consideration while deciding a sentence. “Relevant factors include: the need to prevent the high risk of congenital defects of children born of incestuous relationships; and to prevent children, who are brought up in a family unit founded on an incestuous relationship, suffering psychological harm and social stigmatisation,” he said. Millsteed also said the couple had agreed to not have sex with each other again.
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« Reply #1 on: April 10, 2008, 02:09:20 PM » |
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they are similar age to me .
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The Smoking Man
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« Reply #2 on: April 10, 2008, 04:05:50 PM » |
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And does you dad look 'Hot' to you???
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« Reply #3 on: April 10, 2008, 11:24:46 PM » |
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Why all the fuss? Typical Aussies I'd have thought.  Reminds me of a joke; An Aussie finds out on his wedding night his bride is still a virgin and so rushes home to tell his parents. His parents ring the brides parents to announce they will be looking for an annulment on the grounds of, 'if she's not good enough for her own family then she's not good enough for ours'
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« Reply #4 on: April 10, 2008, 11:25:47 PM » |
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they are similar age to me .
Who the father? 
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« Reply #5 on: May 24, 2008, 02:19:11 PM » |
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I don't see why them having sex is punishable by law. It's not as if he's molesting his teen or preteen daughter. Even if there is a possibility of congenital deffects and psychological issues it seems pretty flimsy reason to punish them for having a child. Are we practicing eugenics here? So if a person has sexual relations and a child with someone whom they know are at risk of passing on congenital deffects is that against the law? Or just when they're family? And is it against the law to have a family situation that may cause psychological issues? I've known a few people who were the children of psychologists and they seemed pretty damaged by the experience. Maybe psychologists shouldn't be allowed to have children.
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« Reply #6 on: May 24, 2008, 02:57:15 PM » |
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Because it is a very slippery slope.
Making incestuous relationship lawful could be the thin end of the wedge that eventually removes the very foundation of any functional society, namely internal cohesion and stability within families, the smallest building blocks of any society.
It will create a lot of uncertainty in the minds of children and parents, deviating precious efforts and time from production to frivolous pursuits and lawsuit and thwart the will to reproduce. When a society is depopulated, it literally dies.
Imagine the bricks of a building being atomized.
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« Reply #7 on: May 24, 2008, 03:24:21 PM » |
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Because it is a very slippery slope. Barring people from incestuous ralationships based on the probability of congenital deffect can be a slippery slope into eugenics. Making incestuous relationship lawful could be the thin end of the wedge that eventually removes the very foundation of any functional society, namely internal cohesion and stability within families, the smallest building blocks of any society. So I assume you are against queers getting married and having families too? It will create a lot of uncertainty in the minds of children and parents, deviating precious efforts and time from production to frivolous pursuits and lawsuit and thwart the will to reproduce. When a society is depopulated, it literally dies. I think bringing a lawsuit against adults for having consentual sex just because you find their relationship abnormal is pretty damn frivolous.
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« Reply #8 on: May 25, 2008, 03:13:28 PM » |
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Barring people from incestuous ralationships based on the probability of congenital deffect can be a slippery slope into eugenics. But a society cannot afford to have a gene pool that is progressively recessive either. Worse still, a society cannot afford to be further divided on top of political differences, religious differences, economic difference and as you said, homosexual difference. Assuming incestuous relationships were lawful, a portion of the population will be disgusted and take off, a portion will be indifferent and shrug their shoulders, while a portion will thrive and rejoice over their new freedom. Over time an ever shrinking economy will have to shoulder the care of an ever increasing population with congenital defects. What will be the outcome? Is it fair to demand the whole society to shoulder the bills of indulgence of some individuals and be doomed ecnomomically ? So I assume you are against queers getting married and having families too?
Actually no, because sexual orientation is a matter of genes. Homosexual parents are not likely to sway the sexual preference of their kids when they grow up. I think bringing a lawsuit against adults for having consentual sex just because you find their relationship abnormal is pretty damn frivolous. It is not frivolous at all as it shows the society as a whole has zero tolerance for incestuous relationship. It is something that is completely off limit. This way people will have no illusion or uncertainty of what they can and cannot do.
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« Reply #9 on: May 25, 2008, 06:11:51 PM » |
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Barring people from incestuous ralationships based on the probability of congenital deffect can be a slippery slope into eugenics.
congenital defects aren't a probability they're a certainty. So I assume you are against queers getting married and having families too?
A total strawman but anyway I am against it yes. Growing up is hard enough for kids without having to suffer the ridicule resulting from having two same sex parents. I think it is about time hetrosexual people stopped apologising for being normal and that gay people realised that although their condition should be tolerated it is still a perversion. Yes it is not their fault as they are born with their sexual orientation but so are paedophiles but I don't see many people arguing they should be allowed to sate their 'natural' desires. I think bringing a lawsuit against adults for having consentual sex just because you find their relationship abnormal is pretty damn frivolous.
I disagree. Incest is taboo in practically every society in the world. Nature itself abhors the practice and so if some people are too stupid to understand this naturally and can only be deterred by law then so be it.
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« Reply #10 on: May 25, 2008, 06:31:38 PM » |
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Yes ... but where will the next generation of banjo players come from in the USA?
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« Reply #11 on: May 25, 2008, 07:00:00 PM » |
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Agree with ART , Polly , be a good girl. 
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« Reply #12 on: May 25, 2008, 07:29:20 PM » |
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The Smoking Man
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« Reply #13 on: May 25, 2008, 07:44:31 PM » |
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 Bush and Rice have a child. Banjo player ... What? Me worry?
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« Reply #14 on: May 25, 2008, 07:53:45 PM » |
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NO, thanks, I want a guiltar player 
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