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« on: January 31, 2007, 11:57:54 AM »

Some of these 'PC' twats criticising these people should be strung up.

Look at the way that people are altering Canadian society to make minorities happy.

Frosted glass because Jews walking past find the view offensive!?

This is not illegal in a free society.

Because YOU choose to bind yourself to an oppressive religion does not mean that the rest of the world must comply to your world view.

Install frosted glass in your Synagogue or Mosque. The rest of the world are not your mindless little minority and should not have to 'foot the bill' for your peccadilloes.

And if you are bringing your illegal primitive beliefs into another culture, expect to get strung up for it.
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Canadian town to immigrants: you can't stone women
Reuters Tuesday January 30, 05:43 PM

By David Ljunggren

OTTAWA (Reuters) - Immigrants to the small Quebec town of Herouxville must not stone women in public, burn them alive or throw acid on them, according to an extraordinary set of rules made public by the local council.

The declaration, published on the town's Web site, has deepened a debate in the predominantly French-speaking Canadian province over how tolerant Quebecers should be towards the customs and traditions of immigrants.

"We wish to inform these new arrivals that the way
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of life which they abandoned when they left their countries of origin cannot be recreated here," said the declaration, which also says women are allowed to drive, vote, dance, write checks, dress how they want, work and own property.

"Therefore we consider it completely outside these norms to ... kill women by stoning them in public, burning them alive, burning them with acid, circumcising them etc."

No one on the town council was immediately available for comment on Tuesday. Herouxville, which has 1,300 inhabitants, is about 100 miles (160 km) northeast of Montreal.

Andre Drouin, the councillor who came up with the idea of the declaration, told the National Post newspaper that the town was not racist.

"We invite people from all nationalities, all languages, all sexual orientations, whatever, to come live with us, but we want them to know ahead of time how we live," he said.

The regulations say girls and boys can exercise together and people should only be allowed to cover their faces at Halloween. Children must not take weapons to school, although the Supreme Court of Canada has already ruled that Sikh boys have the right to carry ceremonial daggers.

The Herouxville declaration is part of a wider discussion over "reasonable accommodation", or how far Quebecers should be prepared to change their customs so as not to offend immigrants -- figures from the 2001 census show that around 10 percent of Quebec's 7.5-million population were born outside Canada.

Last year a Montreal gym agreed to install frosted windows after a nearby Hassidic synagogue said it was offended by the sight of adults exercising.

Newspapers say a Montreal community centre banned men from prenatal classes to respect Hindu and Sikh traditions and an internal police magazine suggested women police officers allow their male colleagues to interview Hassidic Jews.

Earlier this month the Journal de Montreal published a poll showing that 59 percent of those surveyed admitted to harbouring some kind of racist feelings.

Montreal's police force is investigating one of its officers after it emerged that he had posted an anti-immigrant song on the Internet.

Some teachers have complained that Jewish and Muslim colleagues get extra paid time off for religious holidays.

The Herouxville declaration is available, in English and in French, at the "avis public" section of the town's Web site, http://municipalite.herouxville.qc.ca.
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« Reply #1 on: February 03, 2007, 10:02:34 PM »

I think by virtue of the act of immigrating to another society, the immigrants have implied agreed to be bound by the social, economic and legal arrangements of the host country.  And individual right to religious freedom is  invariably guaranteed as far as western countries are concerned and of which Canada is one. 

So the issue is, is  "kill(ing) women by stoning them in public, burning them alive, burning them with acid, circumcising them etc" within the realm of a particular religion?  If so how do we reconcile this religious practice with the legal/social norms of the host country?
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« Reply #2 on: February 04, 2007, 06:48:45 AM »

I'm for the US approach ... "Kill 'em all and let god sort them out".
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« Reply #3 on: February 04, 2007, 10:38:12 PM »

I'm for the US approach ... "Kill 'em all and let god sort them out".
Just our of interest this actually pre-dates the US. It is a very old quote which originated in europe.

It is attributed to Arnaud-Armaury, the Abbot of Citeaux, and "spiritual advisor" to the Albigensian Crusade.

Pope Innocent III ordered the Albigensian Crusade, to purge southern France of the Cathari heretics. It began in the summer of 1209, with their first target - the town of Beziers. The Catholic faithful in Beziers refused to give up the Catharis among themselves. The crusaders invaded. When Arnaud-Amaury was asked whom to kill he replied "Kill them all. God will know his own." They did. The crusaders slaughtered nearly everyone in town, over 20,000, either burned or clubbed to death. Thus they achieved their goal of killing the estimated 200 heretics who were hiding in the town among the Catholic faithful.

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« Reply #4 on: April 23, 2007, 03:44:45 PM »

I think by virtue of the act of immigrating to another society, the immigrants have implied agreed to be bound by the social, economic and legal arrangements of the host country.  And individual right to religious freedom is  invariably guaranteed as far as western countries are concerned and of which Canada is one. 
This is actually the flaw in Canadian society which is modeled upon the cultural mosaic rather than the melting pot which is the 'American Way'.

In other words, Canada allows subcultures to retain most of their social norms etc in an effort to enhance the society in that the whole is often greater than the individual parts.

America tends to say you must be an American first and eschew your old beliefs etc.

While the Canadian way has led to some magnificent contributions to the society, it also allows itself to be abused by the less moral or primitive.
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